Category: Zone BBS Icon 2006
Considering the top 10 were actually reduced to the top 8 without any audience participation on account of the fact one contestant withdrew and one was disqualified, I was wondering why those two places were not then offered to two other contestants so that we could still have had a “top 10”? On x factor (which I believe American idol is mirrored on), when contestants were disqualified they were replaced by other contestants who hadn’t originally made it into the top 4 in their category and thus the format of the show hasn’t had to change. But in this instance the format has been changed because where users could originally have voted from 10, they now only get to vote from 8.
Good point, and good question.
You know. I was thinking the same thing while listening to the show last night. It would have been nice if 2 other contestants were added to replace Puggle and gold fingas. But then I guess it would mean a lot of last minute work and I don't think the staff felt like they had enough to do without working on two other acts. lol But I really don't know though.
I thought from the beginning that they should have one or two ulternates incase aything like this happened.
Now they have o sork with a shortened contest.
I would think that would be even harer then putting in some extra people.
They could have had them record and tell them they'll go in if someone does make it.
I think the whole point was, the staff didn't like the idea of having "backups." What do you tell someone who's a backup anyway? "Sorry you weren't good enough to make top ten, but hey, at least you're good enough to be a backup." I think it had to do more with not wanting to make people feel used.
no I don't think they should have had a "backup", but that if some of the top 10 withdrew, then the judges could have given those spaces to others who were good but not as good as the original top ten if you know what I mean. I can see the difficulty with the one user being disqualified, but puggle must have withdrawn before recording had started, and I do think that maybe another place should have been offered to a runner-up?
You have a good point there, and maybe the staff will consider that for the next time they do something like this. This is just the first time they've all worked on a project of its magnitude and they're trying to keep the interests of all the listeners in mind. It's a huge learning experience for all involved.
I agree. I was wondering the same exact thing,, while I was listening. I dont' think there should have been "backups", but they could've went through the other contestants, and found two that they thought were good enough to go on. But, on the otherhand, maybe they didn't want people to feel like they were only good enough to be in the top ten, as replacements.
um I'm confused!. you said don't have a back up. but then you said pull someone in in the case that puggle pulled out. Wouldn't that be a back up? The Krystel thingy was a last minute thingy. she's been way to busy! My bad. Dan would have been saying all this, but um his evil little fiance didnt' know he was in the middle of typing a post, and when he got up to get a drink refreshed the page. ooops. Smiles, Shea
Exactly, Gemini. I don't know that if I was a contestant who hadn't made it, that I'd be OK with being a replacement for somebody else.
they have wild cards on idle don't they? I don't see any of them complaining about being a judges choice, and not an audience choice contender? Perhaps they could have some wild cards, or have some runners up, they don't have to just have a top 10, maybe a top 12 next time. but 11 and 12 don't have to know untill smeone pulls out. mind you, I don't think that if say we are down to the final 4 and one pulls out that someone from the original entries should be aloud back in, I think if there is going to be a replacement, or second chance system, then it should only be if as in this case, we are reduced from a top 10 to a top 8 in the first week.
I don't think there is an easy way to say "Hi, um, you're a backup. and o yeah since Clarence was disquolified, and Crystal backed out, you guys get to go in there place. Anyway, how does one write a letter like that before the disquolifations? Do you say ... "Hi sir. I see you applied to be zone BBS icon and congradulations! You made it! Uh, erh, but only as a backup so if someone pulls out, feel free to jump right on in. How did they do this in idle I'm curious.
Wy not? At least you can still hope for a chance and the odds of one or two people withdrawing are pretty good.
If the person doesn't want to be a back up then they could probably find someone else who would.
I'll be honest. If you send me a message, telling me that I'm not in the top ten, but that I'm a runner up, I'd personally tell you to go fuck yourself, and find some other idiot to make a fool of by calling him or her a runner-up. I've said this to the staff, but honestly, I'm totally against having runner-ups, or wildcards...in my opinion, it's like slapping them in the face. Oh, you didn't make the top ten, but stand by, just in case we might call you in. I'm sorry, but that sounds absolutely horrible in my opinion.
In the end having replacements was a question of logistics as much as anything else. We had Clarances disqualification happen live as it were and Krystel decided at the last minute that she couldn't commit the time so you see really, even if we had have had back ups, we wouldn't have had the time to inform them, get them a time to record, get them recorded and then mixed in. Even as things were Kai and I were very stretched for time. You honestly can't believe how much editing it takes to put a show together like that. I'm not saying this for a sympathy vote you understand but to explain that we simply wouldn't have had the time to organize replacement entrants. so really all this talk of weather or not we should have had wild cards, how they may or may not have felt is all a little academic. We gave the idea some serious consideration as we did predict that people would drop out but as I say, in the end the idea, like it or not, just wasn't feasible.
Dan.
I disagree with all of you who say that you would need to tell them they weren't good enough to make top 10, but good enough to be an alternate!
Take the case of Rosie for example! We all know, including the judges, that Rosie has an amazing voice and should have made top 10! I have said so right from the start, and just in case some of you don't know, I am a singing teacher with nearly 6 years experience, and have trained 2 or 3 people who have gone on to some pretty big things by the way, so when I say Rosie is very tallented, I feel confident to say that I know what I'm talking about.
Now, Rosie didn't choose a very good song for her pre-competition entry, and that screwed her chances for the top 10 basically! I have told Rosie that myself, and she understands that. Everyone who knows her understands that she is capable of so much more, even judges have said so.
Now, I think Rosie would make a fantastic alternate for the top 10, not on the basis that she wasn't good enough to make it originallly because she was, but on the basis that she is being given another chance to redeme herself having made such a bad choice of song in the first place.
If the judges and staff disagree with me, why not run a quick pole! The technology is all there already! Everyone has heard the full batch of contestants who already entered, so just throw up all those who didn't make it originally and ask the Zone to vote on who they think should get a second chance.
That's what I'd do, and it will also add some delightful drama to the whole thing!
Matt
I agree with mat and krystel. It’s not a case that you have to tell people they were not good enough for the top 10, after all you could have had 25 fantastic singers but there could only ever be 10 finalists. If it had been logistically possible, you don’t tell people “oh you’re a runner up stand by just in case”, you wait until such times as a user pulls out and then you approach them and say “we would like you to be in our top 10”. Of course they will know someone has pulled out, but that’s so often how some get the breaks they do. When Rick waller pulled out of pop idol they gave the place to Darius, and actually that happened a couple of shows into the live shows, and he went on to the semi-finals and was 3rd and has since recorded a couple of albums and is now in the west end performing in the musical Chicago, had he not been brought in as a “stand by” he would almost certainly not have got to where he is now.
It really isn’t all black and white “I wasn’t good enough the first time so you can f**** yourselves”.
And yes I realize that the logistics prevented replacements, but surely we as the voting audience were entitled to ask the question J
hey there gang, I so agree with Matt when he put it like that. I mean Rosey was awesome, and if she could have made top ten? it would have been way awesome! I was so sorry I could not pick her. I really was. her vocal talent is amazing, but her song was just not that good.
I agree withPuggle, PlipPlop and SugarBaby. It's not that you'd have to tell anyone that they are a "replacement." I mean, whoever's participating, is more than likely going to know that if they don't make it into the top ten, then there is a possibility that they will still have a chance, just in case something happens. And, as PlipPlop said, sometimes it's not a matter of someone not making it because they can't sing that well, but rather a matter because they chose the wrong song. I'm sure you've all seen that on American Idol, or any other show that's similar. Sometimes there's a person who has an excellent voice, and someone who could definitely make it out in the entertainment business, but, they get voted off, because of a bad choice of song. I also agree with the poll thing. If something does happen to the top ten, then why not take a little poll of who the audience thinks should move on? as pointed out, we've all heard the tryouts, so we'd already know what the contestants sound like. I agree with Puggle, when she says that if something like this were to happen, then it should only happen in the beginning, as it did this time around. I'd also like to point out that I think the majority of us understand all the time and effort that goes into something like this, and it's not that we're trying to ask more from you. We know how hard you're working already, and if this isn't possible to do, then that's fine. I think it was just meant to be a suggestion, and something to think about.
hey there gang, I see where you are coming from on the stand in thing. When me and my fellow judges talked about this in the staff meeting, some of us, were for stand ins and some were against it. At first I was completely for having people to stand by, but when I really stopped to think, I can see how those people might feel slighted. And those who know they are good singers, and didn't make top ten might feel like second rate citizens. I would not want to offend anyone in that manner. But that's just my thoughts on this. I shall chat later gang. Oh and don't forget to tune in tonight for the results show. We will find out who you guys got rid of in this round. take care delicious people! your favorite gay Judge
Personally? I like the idea of wild cards, I mean, take Clay aiken in AI for example, he was a wild card chooser for the show and in the end, he ended up almost winning, he was second to ruben studdard. So in the end, I don't think it's a matter of oh well, you weren't good to make top 10 initially, but you are good enough for wild card or backup. Instead, think of it as oh well, you are given a chance to redeem themselves, to show the audience just how good of a singer they really are. That's just my thoughts onh the matter, however.
I do agree with Matt, Krystel and Jess, but at the same time, I understand what Dan is saying. What with time zones, and short notice, it's probably less realistic in this situation